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		<title>Polling, but not on elections?</title>
		<link>http://mdcarroll.com/2010/05/19/polling-but-not-on-elections/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 02:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As many of you know, I have more than a passing interest in surveys and polls, especially when it comes to health care reform.  I&#8217;m especially interested in the science behind polling, and how different groups can poll the same topics and get different answers.  I noticed this post some time ago from Nate Silver, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As many of you know, I have more than a passing interest in surveys and polls, especially when it comes to health care reform.  I&#8217;m especially interested in the science behind polling, and how different groups can poll the same topics and get different answers.  I noticed <a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/04/use-of-likely-voter-model-does-not.html">this post</a> some time ago from Nate Silver, but didn&#8217;t comment on it.  I probably should have:</p>
<blockquote><p>Both <a href="http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=DCAD6DDB-18FE-70B2-A8986E439331DA11" target="_blank">critics</a> and <a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Trying-to-shoot-the-messenger-80548142.html" target="_blank">defenders</a> of <strong>Rasmussen</strong> Reports&#8217; polling have  frequently cited <strong>Rasmussen</strong>&#8216;s use of a likely  voter model to explain why their polls have tended to show <a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/03/house-effects-render-poll-reading.html" target="_blank">substantially  more favorable</a> results for Republican candidates than the average  of other surveys.  I have often mentioned this myself, for that matter.</p>
<p>The argument goes like this: those people who vote most reliably in  midterm elections tend to be older, whiter, and to have higher social  status &#8212; which are also characteristics of voters that generally lean  toward the Republican candidate. When coupled with what also appears to  be a <a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/04/democrats-are-enthusiastic-republicans.html" target="_blank">Republican  enthusiasm advantage</a> this cycle, it is quite reasonable to believe  that a poll of likely voters (like <strong>Rasmussen</strong>&#8216;s)  should show more favorable results for the Republicans than one of  registered voters or adults (like most others).</p></blockquote>
<p>But here&#8217;s the thing.  At some point, you get to check and see how valid the different models are.  Those points are called elections.  As elections approach, polling firms usually do a fair amount of predicting how the race will develop.  Then, when the election occurs, we can all see which firm was correct.  You can&#8217;t say Rasmussen has a Republican bent if they get the election right.  They are just correct; and others have a Democratic bent.</p>
<p>Which is why <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/5/19/867829/-Rasmussens-%28dishonest%29-game">this</a> is not very comforting:</p>
<blockquote><p>Rasmussen has been this cycle&#8217;s most prolific pollster, <a href="http://www.pollster.com/blogs/is_rasmussen_flooding_the_zone.php">by  far</a>. As of February:</p>
<blockquote><p>Yes, Rasmussen Reports has fielded far more polls so far this cycle,  both in absolute terms (45 vs. 13) and as a percentage of the total (28%  vs 18%).</p></blockquote>
<p>Rasmussen&#8217;s volume hasn&#8217;t decreased since then. If you want to see  how spammy they are, check out <a href="http://www.swingstateproject.com/tag/rasmussen%20reports">this  link</a>.</p>
<p>Yesterday the nation had several hot races, including the House  special election in PA-12, primaries in both parties in Kentucky and  Arkansas, and the Democratic Senate primary in Pennsylvania.</p>
<p>And somehow, Rasmussen was nowhere to be found. Yet this past week,  Rasmussen found time to poll Colorado, California, and those burning  Idaho senate and governor races. He even polled the general election in  Arkansas, ignoring the imminent primaries &#8212; the better to show Arkansas  Republican primary voters who their strongest candidate was.</p></blockquote>
<p>Turns out Rasmussen also did a lot of polling leading up tot he Massachusetts special election back in January, but stopped two weeks before the election.  Why?  Some claim it&#8217;s because Rasmussen is more interested in <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/8/7346/81628">setting a narrative</a> than reporting the facts, but I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s true.</p>
<p>What I do know is that Rasmussen seems to be avoiding opportunities to prove that their results are more accurate than others.  And, in doing so, they seem to be avoiding current important political races in order to comment on far-off and unverifiable races.  Why?</p>
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		<title>Pollgasm</title>
		<link>http://mdcarroll.com/2010/04/22/pollgasm/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 03:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple of polls appeared on how the public views health care reform.  The first was from the Kaiser Family Foundation: The first Kaiser Health Tracking Poll fielded since the passage of health reform last month finds that 8 in 10 Americans know that President Obama signed the legislation into law. But 55 percent say [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of polls appeared on how the public views health care reform.  The first was from the <a href="http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/8067.cfm">Kaiser Family Foundation</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The first Kaiser Health Tracking Poll fielded since the passage of  health reform  last month finds that 8 in 10 Americans know that President Obama signed  the  legislation into law. But 55 percent say they are confused about the law  and  more than half (56%) say they don’t yet have enough information to  understand  how it will affect them personally.</p>
<p>The poll finds that the  public  supports many of the provisions of health reform that are set to be  implemented  in the short term.  When asked about 11 specific provisions scheduled to  take  effect this year, in each case a majority of Americans viewed them  favorably,  often with bipartisan support.</p>
<p>Still, the public remains divided  on the  law overall, with 46 percent viewing it favorably, 40 percent  unfavorably and 14  percent undecided. Similarly, 31 percent of Americans say they expect  personally  to be better off because of the law, while 32 percent say they will be  worse off  and 30 percent say they don’t expect to be affected.</p></blockquote>
<p>OK, I find it hard to get past the fact that 2 in 10 Americans might not know that the law was passed.  But if you can, you still see that so many are confused by health care reform.  That&#8217;s not good.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Where are people getting their information?</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://mdcarroll.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Graph.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-1238" title="Graph" src="http://mdcarroll.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Graph.jpg" alt="" width="461" height="318" /></a></p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align: left;">It saddens me that so few are getting their info from my blog, of course.  No one is doing a good job, though, if so many are uninformed.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">The second survey was released by my group, the Center for Health Policy and Professionalism Research.  I try not to comment on my own work.  It feels too much like spinning.  But I encourage you to <a href="http://chppr.iupui.edu/research/followuprepealsurvey.html">go read it</a>.</p>
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		<title>Polling</title>
		<link>http://mdcarroll.com/2010/01/25/polling/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I had any artistic ability, I might have tried this: (h/t Ezra Klein)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had any artistic ability, I might have tried <a href="http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/1435/truth-about-polling">this</a>:</p>
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<p>(h/t <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/01/a_note_on_polling.html">Ezra Klein</a>)</p>
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		<title>Maybe the media doesn&#8217;t matter as much as I think</title>
		<link>http://mdcarroll.com/2009/09/24/maybe-the-media-doesnt-matter-as-much-as-i-think/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sometimes I worry that the 24-hour-news cycle&#8217;s insistence on focusing on whatever will get the biggest rise out of people makes rational debate impossible.  Then I saw the results of this Pew poll at Pollster.com (emphasis mine): How much if anything, have you heard about each of the following? Senator Max Baucus unveiling his health [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I worry that the 24-hour-news cycle&#8217;s insistence on focusing on whatever will get the biggest rise out of people makes rational debate impossible.  Then I saw the results of this Pew poll at <a href="http://www.pollster.com/blogs/us_news_interest_pew_91821.php">Pollster.com</a> (emphasis mine):</p>
<blockquote><p><em>How much if anything, have you heard about each of the following?</em></p>
<p>Senator Max Baucus unveiling his health care reform proposal:<br />
19% A lot, 36% A little, <strong>45% Nothing at all</strong></p>
<p>Employees of the community organizing group &#8220;ACORN&#8221; appearing to give advice to a couple posing as a pimp and prostitute:<br />
31% A lot, 25% A little, <strong>43% Nothing at all</strong></p>
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<p>A September 12th rally in Washington to protest government spending and policies:<br />
23% A lot, 37%  A little, <strong>40% Nothing at all</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s 45% of people who know <em>nothing at all </em>about the Baucus bill.  Maybe I&#8217;m overemphasizing the importance of the media to drive the story.<strong> </strong>Turns out we&#8217;re not even reaching half the American public.</p>
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